“That’s a treasonous act”: 9 takeaways from Trump’s baffling Wall Street Journal interview

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On Thursday, lost in the news that President Donald Trump called African countries, and other non-white countries like Haiti, “s**tholes” and indicated that he’d prefer more Nordic immigrants to the U.S., the Wall Street Journal released a new interview with the president. The Journal’s main takeaway was that Trump “signal[ed] openness” to diplomacy with North Korea, but the story contained many noteworthy comments from the commander-in-chief.


Here are some that should raise some eyebrows:


1. Trump thinks he’d get along great with Kim Jong Un


Kim Jong Un, the North Korean leader whom the president has called “little rocket man” quite a number of times, is, according to Trump, just waiting for his chance to dine at Mar-a-Lago, or something like that. This shows that for all of Trump’s bluster, he seems to take absolutely none of it seriously. Here’s what he said, along with what the Wall Street Journal said in reply:


I have a great relationship with [Chinese President Xi Jinping], as you know I have a great relationship with Prime Minister Abe of Japan and I probably have a very good relationship with Kim Jong Un of North Korea.


WSJ: Just to be clear, you haven’t spoken to the North Korean leader, I mean when you say a relationship with Korea—


Mr. Trump: I don’t want to comment on it—I don’t want to comment, I’m not saying I have or I haven’t. But I just don’t—


WSJ: Some people would see your tweets, which are sometimes combative towards Kim Jong Un…


Mr. Trump: Sure, you see that a lot with me and then all of a sudden somebody’s my best friend. I could give you 20 examples. You give me 30. I’m a very flexible person.




2. Attention: Robert Mueller


This isn’t going to help the Donald Trump Jr. defense fund much. Trump told the Journal that his son took a meeting with foreign nationals because he thought they’d give him dirt on Hillary Clinton:


My son had a brief meeting based on the fact that he thought whatever he thought. And he—somebody said bad stuff on an opponent. I don’t know of one politician in Washington—if you’re a politician and somebody called up that they have information on your opponent that might be negative.



3. “What went on with the FBI” = treason, apparently


It was Louis XIV who said, “L’etat, c’est moi,” — or in English, “I am the state.” For Trump, the brouhaha over an FBI agent who tweeted his dislike of Trump as a candidate is worthy of the “treason” tag.


And what went on with the FBI, where a man is tweeting to his lover that if she loses, we’ll essentially go back to the—we’ll go to the insurance policy, which is—if they lose, we’ll go to phase 2, and we’ll get this guy out of office.


I mean, this is the FBI we’re talking about. I think that is—that is treason. See, that’s treason right there. . .


By the way, that’s a treasonous act. What he tweeted to his lover is a treasonous act.



4. He wants a “see-through” border wall


There’s a long discussion to be had about what Trump’s border wall stands for — especially in the light of the president’s alleged “s**thole” comments — but it really seems that one of the reasons why he cares so much about the wall is that it’s something he’s building. After all, this is a man who loves real estate and even “loves to give White House tours,” according to the New York Times.


Trump offered many details to the Journal about the wall, saying that it would be “32 feet high,” but also opened the door to the possibility that the wall would be “see-through.” Actually, it’s more than just a possibility. According to him, “I have to have see-through.”


If I’m standing here, I want to be able to see 200 yards out. I want to be able to see, I don’t want to have a piece of concrete that I can’t see.



It’s a state-of-the art wall, Trump says, and it’s apparently going to be amazing.


5.  How much does Trump really read?


Granted, this is one of those situations where context could be lost. But the president seemed to indicate that he doesn’t do much reading. Here’s what he said while praising the Journal for an article about him that he liked:


You people actually wrote one of the best stories that I’ve ever seen on regulation; you said more than any president in history. . .  I mean I actually read it because I’ve never seen a full page — it’s actually a full page article.



Once again, there’s a caveat here that Trump may have not indicated that it’s noteworthy that he actually read something. But the subject of what, if anything, the president reads has long been a topic of conversation, and with good reason.


6. He still can’t form an opinion on China’s role in North Korea talks


The president’s strategy on North Korea is pretty confusing. On one hand, he has been an advocate of letting China handle the problem. On the other hand, he’s been quick to complain whenever the road to resolution has hit a speed bump. In the interview, he followed this dynamic, saying that China was “not helpful enough, but they’ve been very helpful.”


7. What was Trump’s role in the Foxconn deal?


Trump has taken ownership of a deal between Chinese manufacturing company Foxconn — famous for producing Apple products — and the state of Wisconsin. It’s an expensive deal that will line the pockets of the company and could potentially cost the state billions. That’s why Trump’s brag that “the head of Foxconn, you know he’s a friend of mine. He’s only moving there because of me” raises ethics questions.


Is this one of Trump’s brags that aren’t based in reality? Or is the president saying that he got involved in a business deal to help a friend of his?


8. Steve Bannon is definitely persona non grata now


Far from being the person Trump had previously claimed helped him a lot, former Chief Strategist, adviser and booster Steve Bannon is now someone who “had nothing to do with my win. Well, certainly very little.”


Steve’s greatest asset is he was able to convince a corrupt media that he was responsible for my win. Hope, just out of curiosity, you were there from day one. What do you think Steve in a percentage had to do with my victory?


I mean he was there. Corey [Lewandowski] had more to do with it . . .


Many people— I mean, there were many people—it’s a little before Sarah’s time. If you were here, you would have had more to do with it. No, I talked to Steve very little; I didn’t know Steve well, believe it or not. They made it sound like—I mean when that guy wrote the book about Steve.



9. Trump still wishes the “liberal media” liked him 


A good psychiatrist — or a halfway decent profiler for a foreign government — can probably have a field day with the information contained in this long-winded diatribe about how unloved Trump is feeling.


They dislike me, the liberal media dislikes me. I mean I watch people—I was always the best at what I did, I was the—I was, you know, I went to the—I went to the Wharton School of Finance, did well. I went out, I—I started in Brooklyn, in a Brooklyn office with my father, I became one of the most successful real-estate developers, one of the most successful business people. I created maybe the greatest brand.


I then go into, in addition to that, part-time, like five percent a week, I open up a television show. As you know, the Apprentice on many evenings was the number one show on all of television, a tremendous success. It went on for 12 years, a tremendous success. They wanted to sign me for another three years and I said, no, I can’t do that.


That’s one of the reasons NBC hates me so much. NBC hates me so much they wanted—they were desperate to sign me for—for three more years.


Just—and so—so I was successful, successful, successful. I was always the best athlete, people don’t know that. But I was successful at everything I ever did and then I run for president, first time—first time, not three times, not six times. I ran for president first time and lo and behold, I win. And then people say oh, is he a smart person? I’m smarter than all of them put together, but they can’t admit it. They had a bad year.



Then, after talking briefly about Steve Bannon (see above), Trump went back to talking about himself.


Don’t forget, I had vanquished 17 governors, senators plus a couple of very smart people, like Ben and Carly and others. I had vanquished them easily—easily. I won every debate based on the polls. You know, they do polls—seven or eight polls. Time Magazine—Time Magazine’s not a fan of mine.


Drudge, Time Magazine they have seven polls. I don’t think, I may be wrong—I don’t think you’ll find one poll that I ever lost in any of the 14, 15 debates. Including the presidential debate, you know with her, the three. . .


You’ve been doing it longer, OK? That’s the other thing I’ve only been doing this for two years, two and a half years, OK? You know, it’s pretty good. When they said Jeb Bush was off his game; Trump killed him in the debate. Jeb was off his game because he hasn’t been governor now. He’s been out of politics for eight years. Oh, really? I’ve been out of politics for—I was never in politics.


So, sort of interesting, but when I won against the 17 people, you can’t then say that oh, gee, somebody comes in two months after I won, and he gives me new policy, new idea. I can’t change those ideas, those ideas are wedded.